That's not a typo - every Autumn Grandad would say "It's turning cold" and Nana would reply "Winter drawers on!" then they'd have a daft discussion about underwear. Being born at the end of the Victorian era, Nana always referred to her knickers as "drawers"
In the 1800s a woman would wear two separate 'legs' which had a casing at the top and a tape to draw them together at the waist. Hence a pair of drawers. To this day, even though we wear just the one garment, we still refer to a pair of... [pants/knickers/briefs etc] *
The other mystery of 'old lady underwear' in my childhood were the adverts at the back of Woman's Weekly for Directoire Knickers - which I thought were directory knickers.
A single garment, usually pink, cream or peach coloured with legs elasticated just above the knee. After the Victorians, the Edwardians wore slimmer more fitted garments, not voluminous crinolines. Women wanted underwear which fitted closer to the body - especially when the "roaring twenties" came along. The name comes from the "directoire" - a neo-classical style popular in France [1795 to 1799] between the elaborate ornate style of Louis XVI and before the "Empire Style".
This style persisted through the war years, issued as part of the uniform for women in the forces. although the legs did get a bit shorter. By the early 60s many of us had to wear "PE knickers" which had elasticated legs [mine were hideous bottle green and itchy] and grannies still wore the peachy bloomers. My friend Jean always referred to them as "Harvest Festival Knickers" - because she said "All is safely gathered in"
Mum and Auntie Peggy always insisted on decent pants
"In case you get knocked down by a bus". Cousin Gill and I suspected their mother had drummed this into them. We said that if we were unfortunate enough to be in such an accident, we did not want the medical team distracted by our attractive underwear! By the the children came along, and finances were tight, I kept my old white Sloggis till they were were repaired, and rather grey. And then one day sorting laundry, LIz lectured me about their parlous state. "Nobody sees me in them except your father "Just because you have got your man, that does not excuse you wearing shabby underwear. Mum!" I really took that to heart, and have tried to wear better ones ever since. I have regularly bought new pants, and put them in the drawer, leaving the shabby ones underneath 'in case of an emergency'. What emergency is that? And I do not need twenty five pairs! I have been ruthless - down to 18 pairs now, and those with weak elastic, holes and ladders, and uncomfortable gussets have gone in the bin. And I suspect others may follow.
I did check the internet - it seems the average UK woman owns 25 pairs, and many sites recommend at least 14 so you have a clean pair daily for a fortnight. I appreciate sportswomen will wear more than one pair a day - after a run, or game of football, they'd want fresh undies. But I am more sedentary, less sweaty!
I did check the internet - it seems the average UK woman owns 25 pairs, and many sites recommend at least 14 so you have a clean pair daily for a fortnight. I appreciate sportswomen will wear more than one pair a day - after a run, or game of football, they'd want fresh undies. But I am more sedentary, less sweaty!
Worst ever pants - [1] the pack of seven 'days of the week' ones when I was 5. I got them in the wrong order, and realised one day I was wearing 'Wednesday' on 'Thursday' I was sure everyone in my class knew. [2] the paper disposable ones, in a pack of 3, bought from Etam in the early 70s. I pulled them up too fast and the elastic waistband completely came away!
Do you have any BRIEF comments?
*in Tudor times, upper garments were often two-piece, front and back, tied at the sides, and called 'a pair of bodies' - but that turned into the term 'bodice'
I loved the boyshorts style but I have the wrong shaped bum so I'm unable to wear them.
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DeleteI've never thought about why we call them a pair of knickers but the dual leg aspect still applies I guess, like a pair of trousers or shorts.
ReplyDeleteI really should chuck some of mine out!! I have loads and some are v scraggy!
Thongs and Gstring look so uncomfortable. I have worn a pair but didn't like them!
It's National Poetry Day today! Kx
I posted a poem yesterday - does that count?
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ReplyDeleteWhen I was a child, we called them knickers (although, my mother's aunts would sometimes call them bloomers). My mother sewed mine, white cotton, with elastic at the waist and around the legs which were also trimmed with white crocheted lace.
I haven't heard people use the word "knickers" here, and "pants" usually refer to what you might call trousers or slacks, definitely outerwear.
I usually have 10 - 12 pairs of undies (the kind I buy now are sold in packs of 6). I usually do laundry once a week, and that number seems sufficient for me.
The ones I buy came in packs of 3. Usually two colours I like , and one I'm not so keen on. "pants and vest" is underwear in UK, but outerwear in USA 🩲
DeleteI had a clear out recently for both of us! I just wear neutral coloured M and S ones now as it makes the washing easier. I put a vest on last week as an extra layer and realise ai must have cleared those out in the Spring so need to hunt for some new ones very soon. Catriona
ReplyDeleteI had a pack of 3 camisole type vests for Xmas from my daughter which I wear as tops in hot weather and underlayers in cold 🎽
ReplyDeleteI buy a 5 pack of "sensible" knickers from M&S and have 10 on the go at the moment with an unopened new pack of 5 waiting in the wings. They are various colours and patterns. In my younger days I wore matching sets of bra and panties lacy and pretty but I always found the panties uncomfortable, now comfort rules. I think as long as clean and tidy anything goes. I too was told as a youngster make sure underwear is presentable in case of getting knocked over and having to go to hospital! Hilarious. Regards Sue H
ReplyDeleteLife's too short to worry about matching sets! And comfort wins every time these days
DeleteI used to gaze longingly at the windows of the lingerie shops in France, oh what beautiful dainty designs. Here, I just go for M/S 5 pack , no thongs, no minis, but they do have quite pretty lace round the top!
ReplyDeleteDefinitely no thongs!!
ReplyDeleteA brief comment: I wear Sloggis and get 15 pairs every two years. Usually black.
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DeleteI was describing those Directoire ones to my daughter last week, until I was 7 in 1952 we lived with great grandma who was born in 1856! She wore those and Mum had a difficult time
ReplyDeletefinding them in a shop. I think she had to mail order them and was so embarrassed to hang them on the washing line! JanF
I hang my undies on the rotary dryer first so they are hidden by teeshirts and towels!
DeleteIt's funny you mention what your mother and aunt said, my mother taught me the same thing! Never think that no one sees your underwear, you never know if an accident could happen :) Mothers of that time were probably the same everywhere. And yes, I remember the paper disposable ones! I used them on a holiday and thought they were so practical, just to throw away :D Crazy times
ReplyDeletePerhaps all grannies said it, right across Europe!
DeletePants are called underpants here in Canada and vests are called undershirts. In grade 2 when our teacher was putting up the alphabet we had to come up with something that started with that letter and she would “think up” a rhyme to go with it (she obviously already had them, but we were impressed). The only one I remember is “ U is for underwear, spotlessly clean. Change it as often as if it were seen “. I taught it to my children and now my grandchildren!
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DeleteMy grandmother wore bloomers, they were a vibrant pink!! I wore gym style knickers at school. I have worn 'sloggies' for years, 14 pairs in the drawer. Washed ones go to the back, a clean pair from the front each day.
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DeleteI do like comfy knickers, but no lace as it makes me itch. The last set I bought from M&S were a real disappoinment. They laddered at the sides and didn't last a year. I've just bought some from Asda and they seem ok, and they have to be black coloured ones. Xx
ReplyDeleteMy last M&S set don't seem to be lasting too well either. l just restitched the elastic in one pair
DeleteFunny you should bring up this topic. I am on a trip and I suppose I have more time to be aware of the grey state of my panties, and I have been planning to buy new when I get home. Of course I could discard some of the old ones now, but I wouldn't want them found in the waste bin. Also, they are sure to be useful to replace the stretched waist ones that are currently the extras in the underwear drawer!
ReplyDeleteI took all my."old" pants on holiday one year intending to discard them. But then washed them and brought them all back again!
DeleteSchool knickers! I thought I'd managed to expunge the memory!
ReplyDeleteOoops! Have I made a bloomer?
DeleteI remember elderly ladies sitting on benches at the seaside when I was a child, with the wind whipping up their skirts and showing off those peachy/pink long knickers. They looked exactly like the old ladies on those saucy postcards we all used to giggle over!
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DeleteI was passenger in an old style Mini, there was a driver ended up on the wrong side of the road ended up crashing into the front of the Mini. The driver, another passenger who wouldn’t wear a seat belt so was seated in the back and myself were admitted to King’s College Hospital.
ReplyDeleteI had extensive bruising on my tummy from the seatbelt, on being examined the doctor commented on my pretty underwear. My knickers were waist high purple flowery ones, like the other commentators I had been indoctrinated into the idea of decent underwear.
I m glad you were ok! Not sure what I think about the Dr commenting on your pants though!
ReplyDeleteOn my annual trip over the Pond, I pack lightly when it comes to undies on the way over as I always stop at M&S to pick up a couple of packages of knickers, a bra, and, if needed, I usually buy packs of socks at the same time. Just can't find what I like in US for the price. Mary
ReplyDeleteM&S knickers are very popular
DeleteI vaguely remember my nan refering to her drawers and she was also born near the end of the Victorian period in1895!
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